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[sandgroper]

I use the tip of a teaspoon about a quarter to my 250 L storage drum, i think a teaspoon does about 1000 lts. 1kg treats 200,000 gallons and lasts for years and years and years.

[Stormfyre]

Normal dosage for removing chlorine at water change is 1/4 teaspoon does 1250ltrs.

So for 250ltrs 1/4 / 5 = 0.05. This is = 1/20 of a teaspoon.

To remove ammonia use 4 x that dose, so less than 1/4 teaspoon for tank.

So you may have had ammonia spike, water changed and overdosed and then ammonia drops but killed bacteria, oxygen and fish off.?

[sandgroper]

That's interesting Mike as my 1kg jar differs.

Chlorine use 5g (1tsp) to each 750L (200 gallons) of tap water (removes 4 ppm)

Chloramine use 5g (1tsp) to each 950L (250 gallons) of tap water (removes 4 ppm)

Ammonia use 5g (1tsp) to each 150 L (40 gallons) of tap water (removes 4 ppm)

I will add that i've been using Safe at this level (1/4 - 1/5) or tip of a teaspoon for over 12years with out any dramas. It would be good though if someone in the know could tell us why the two bottle directions differ. It would be better if i could use less, then it would last many more years longer.

[moses123]

Copied and pasted from the seachem website:

"NOTE: These directions supersede all other prior packaging.
The standard dose of 100 mg/100 L of water will remove 1 mg/L (ppm) of chloramine, 1.4 mg/L (ppm) of chlorine and 0.33 mg/L (ppm) of ammonia. A formula to determine the amount to use in mg for a given chloramine level can be found in the FAQ."


That's also an interesting point on the safe dosage. I may have overdosed without realising as I fill my bathtub which is around 250-300L and dose with about 1/3 teaspoon, then pump it back into the tank.

Edited by moses123, 09 April 2017 - 01:10 PM.

[Chopstick_mike]

Copied and pasted from the seachem website:

"NOTE: These directions supersede all other prior packaging.
The standard dose of 100 mg/100 L of water will remove 1 mg/L (ppm) of chloramine, 1.4 mg/L (ppm) of chlorine and 0.33 mg/L (ppm) of ammonia. A formula to determine the amount to use in mg for a given chloramine level can be found in the FAQ."


That's also an interesting point on the safe dosage. I may have overdosed without realising as I fill my bathtub which is around 250-300L and dose with about 1/3 teaspoon, then pump it back into the tank.

you fill your bathtub up that could be the problem right there if you clean it with soaps and bleach could be poisoning your fish

[moses123]

I've been using that bath tub for water changes fot the past year without any problems. Nothing harmful gets in as it doesnt get used for anything other than fish as I also keep fish stuff and left over water in there so it's definitely not that.

[Stormfyre]

Steve, have a read of the label on the tub you won for Showtable Comp. It says 1/4 teaspoon for 1250L.. I reckon they have been changing strength. Those tubs were sent from Seachem 2 months ago.

Copied and pasted from the seachem website:

"NOTE: These directions supersede all other prior packaging.
The standard dose of 100 mg/100 L of water will remove 1 mg/L (ppm) of chloramine, 1.4 mg/L (ppm) of chlorine and 0.33 mg/L (ppm) of ammonia. A formula to determine the amount to use in mg for a given chloramine level can be found in the FAQ."


That's also an interesting point on the safe dosage. I may have overdosed without realising as I fill my bathtub which is around 250-300L and dose with about 1/3 teaspoon, then pump it back into the tank.

 

I reckon those instructions are for when you have Ammonia build up maybe? Standard water change should be a lot less. Very strange they have conflicting info. If you read further down on that site it says the standard dosages that are written on new packaging.

[sandgroper]

I did compare the two tubs, my 1kg one is a few years older. Seems strange that they would make a already super strong produce even stronger. Now with moses 123 we have a third dosage rate wtf. Maybe they had over dosing issue complaints and decided to lower it to factor in a safety margin to avoid over dosing.

 

moses 123 How do you know what your bath tub holds? Did you measure it? I physically measured my storage tub to over flowing by hand and got 250L exactly.

[bigjohnnofish]

its strange in a way you'd have to severely overdose for it to become a problem....

 

but then again prime is slightly different to safe....

 

i remember the day when a seachem rep came into midland pet aquarium and was talking about the product and pumping it up like the next ducks nuts in water conditioners... but he also poured a whole bottle into a tank to prove you cant accidently overdose with prime....  and not a single fish was hurt during his promotion

 

so when we decide whats the correct dosage then we can determine if its possibly an overdosing of safe.... i personally dont think its the problem but im eager to be proved wrong

[moses123]

@sandgroper I measured my bathtub a while ago and it's approximately 250-300L. Its not a perfect rectangular prism so just a rough guess.

[sandgroper]

I'd cut your dosage back from 1/3 to 1/5 - 1/6.

[moses123]

I have come to the conclusion that I think my fish have columnaris. Symptoms include ragged fins from the new angels, red marks on dead/dying fish, patches of faded colour on dying/dead fish, rapid breathing, lethargy, what appears to be fungus on fins/body and the symptom which made me think it's probably columnaris is when I noticed my cory had some white fuzzy stuff on his mouth. Oh and also the fact that fish haven't stopped dying everyday.

After a fair bit of research on this shitty disease. Did a 40% water change (only used 1/10 teaspoon conditioner for 250L) and added some salt. I'm hoping johnno's theory on bacteria becoming resistent to certain medication after being treated with them is true as I have decided to use tri-sulfa tablets which is what I have used on this tank before.

Let's hope for the best.

Edited by moses123, 10 April 2017 - 10:22 PM.

[Delapool]

I have had one win with triple sulpha. It seems an old med but I find it useful. Used it in DT with no issues. Tetracycline flipping useless imo.

I've used salt and found it useful to clean the infection up but never cured by itself. Small fish though.


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[chocky]

Peroxide dip?



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[bigjohnnofish]

 Tetracycline flipping useless imo.

 

 

i think that depends on what concentration oxy-tetracyline your using... i used it once in the past and it worked well....

 

but realistically prevention is better than cure... i hardly have any bacterial or fungal issues these days... keeping good quality water parameters & conditions seems to solve all of these problems.... cant say it enough - quarantine new fish in a seperate tank for 3-4 weeks - will save you money in long run....

[moses123]

Just an update.
On the 13th April did another water change of about 30% and added 3 tri-sulpha tablets and some aquarium salt.
On the 17th I did another 30% water change and added 4 tri-sulpha tablets and some more aquarium salt.
I lost all my remaining galaxy rasboras from the 13-17th. I think it was from the salt/medication as they disappeared over night but not sure.
On the 20th, noticed the fish had white spot which was strange since tri-sulpha usually cures it so I used ickaway. No sign of white spot since.
On the 23rd, noticed angels had fin rot. One of them had it quite bad. They're veil tails and one of them looks like a regular angel. Since these guys were the inital cause of my problems I realised I should just take them out and chucked them in their own little quarantine tank to see what happens.

Since then I have lost no fish and all seem to be doing okay, even the stupid angels in their own tank. Let's hope this post doesn't jinx anything and thank you to everyone who shared their input.

[Delapool]

Hope your fish are improving.


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[moses123]

Thanks, appreciate it.